Mass deletion sparks LiveJournal revolt

 (As a warning, this is going to be an abnormally long post with the majority of the linked to article quoted. I think this subject is important as it deals with the freedom of speech on the internet, and it should be given special treatment.)

 

Thousands of LiveJournal customers are rebelling against the company’s recent decision to censor hundreds of sex-themed discussion groups, a broad swath that has led to the removal of literary critiques and fan-written fiction about Harry Potter.

LiveJournal, which is owned by San Francisco-based Six Apart, confirmed Wednesday that it deleted around 500 journals this week in hopes of better “protecting children.” It said the deletion was prompted by activist groups, including one called Warriors for Innocence that claims to track sites promoting pedophilia, the sexual abuse of minors, and other illegal activities.

“We did a review of our policies related to how we review those sites, those journals, and came up with the fact that we actually did have a number of journals up that we didn’t think met our policies and didn’t think they were appropriate to have up,” Barak Berkowitz, chairman and chief executive of Six Apart, said in a telephone interview. The site boasts about 13 million journals.

Some deleted LiveJournal communities went by names like childlove and little_children (a community permits multiple LiveJournal users to post entries, while an individual account is limited to one user). Others, however, broadly fall into the category of science fiction, fantasy or user-written “fandom” stories–and it is those that have sparked the outcry.

So this group goes to livejournal and points out these communities and journals… and livejournal fearing the backlash this might cause panics and goes on a rampage to try and get rid of all these journals.

Clearly, they feared the backlash. They make it sound as if the y didn’t know what was happening on their own side…. that’s just silly. They had knowledge before this and they were bullied by these so called “Warriors of Innocence”.

“As a queer, feminist writer who explores the darker aspects of human nature, many of my stories deal with incest, rape and child molestation,” a LiveJournal member named “bitterfig” wrote. “As such, I belonged to and contributed to several of the communities which have been suspended and frankly I’m pretty offended. I don’t like being lumped in with rapists and pedophiles and other ‘monsters on the Web.’”

Practically any attempt to sort works of fiction into tidy piles of acceptable and unacceptable material, of course, is likely to invite controversy. Works by noted authors such as James Joyce, Henry Miller and William S. Burroughs have been lauded as masterpieces–and at other times prosecuted as obscene.

What has outraged the LiveJournal protesters is that the purging of discussions and accounts went far beyond what they say was necessary to target pedophilia. One post noted that two journals were deleted on the grounds that “they in some way encouraged illegal behavior” even though the accounts belonged to clearly labeled fictional characters in a role-playing game. Another deleted community was reportedly home to Spanish-language discussions of Vladimir Nabokov’s famous novel Lolita.

There are some  of groups on livejournal that seem to support pedophilia… but they are few and spread between tons of fandom.

One LiveJournal user named “omen-chan” acknowledged once being victimized by a pedophile, but nevertheless warned that the mass deletion went too far. “Pedophilia is disgusting, and I can understand deleting these,” the post said. “However ’shouta’ is simply fiction written about two underaged boys getting together, usually in a non-graphic way. There is absolutely nothing illegal in that. Fourteen-year-olds hook up together all the time. It’s called high school.”

One now-deleted group called “pornish_pixies” focused on fan-written fiction, frequently sexually explicit, about characters in the Harry Potter novels. “The distinction between fiction and non-fiction could not be made any clearer in a place like the Harry Potter fandom, and this oversteps the boundaries that the LiveJournal abuse team has,” said a pornish_pixies member who identified herself as Maria in an e-mail. (A related group, “erotic_elves,” has survived the purge.)

As a big anime geek I know girls who are absolutely obsessed with Shorta. Is this a bad thing? No, it’s fiction done for enjoyment not out of a desire to harm children. While I don’t see the appeal in it, I can’t defend any action that would call such fiction vulgar of illegal.

Legal experts say LiveJournal is clearly not liable for fictional stories and related discussions posted by its users, thanks to a 1996 federal law immunizing Web-based discussion forums from lawsuits. “If the content is otherwise legal, then LiveJournal has no obligation to police its site or remove any legal content it finds,” said Eric Goldman, who teaches at the Santa Clara University School of Law.

LiveJournal’s terms of service ban “objectionable” content and say any account can be deleted “for any reason.” But the company also claims to “provide users with as much freedom of speech as possible.”

“Our decision here was not based on pure legal issues,” countered Six Apart’s Berkowitz. “It was based on what community we want to build and what we think is appropriate within that community and what’s not. We have an awful broad range of discussions and topics and other things going on in LiveJournal, and we encourage other broad-ranging conversations on all sorts of topics. This was a specific case where we felt there was not a reason (for these journals to stay online).”

Berkowitz said the company would “obviously apologize” to anyone whose journal was deleted in error but added: “That’s going to be a very small minority of the sites. I would be shocked if it’s more than a dozen.”

Again, we can point directly to the group “Warriors for Innocence” involvement and livejournal pointing at their terms of service to attempt to justify them bowing to an outside group. This really is a sickening practice by any organization but as a service that offers Blogs; a generally free medium; it’s sickening.

Then Berkowitz talks about non-existent legal issues, ones that the Cnet article debunks right away, and goes on to talk about the community “They want to build.” Claiming that a website has any control of the community that develops around it is insane, just with the Digg case earlier this month, if you piss off your community then you are going to get backlash. There are people dependent on your service and they don’t really care what you want; nor should you care what you want when a massive group of people demand things a certain way. What serious business would say no?

Hopefully this and the digg situation is going to wake these sites up and have them realize that the community is so very important to their existence. Right now I’m not very pleased with Livejournal and regert spending what little money there that I have during my time there. I guess it’s time to move my personal journal to Vox.

Source: Cnet 

10 Responses to “Mass deletion sparks LiveJournal revolt”

  1. THEY ARE THREATENING MY POOOOORRRRNNN

  2. also, what girl do you know that likes shota?

    and you spelled it “shorta”

    you can delete this if you want

  3. @Amy:

    Bukimi, somewhat Vampy, YOU

    You know, everyone who harassed Coup

  4. oh, right well buki is the only one i can think of

    I DO NOT LIKE SMALL BOYS

    I WAS LIKE HIS AGE WHEN I DID THAT

  5. I don’t understand what the infringement is.

    This isn’t the government impinging on an individual’s rights, this is a company deciding how the computer servers THEY own and pay for should be used. When you open a free account on LiveJournal or Blogger or MySpace or Wordpress, you don’t own your own website. Said company is merely allowing you to use their servers, and what their servers can and can’t be used for is their prerogative.

    If, however, you had set up an established contract with a hosting company, paid for your own server space, set up your own website, and then the government or other authoritative body deleted your site, completely without merit or legal standing, THEN you’d have censorship. THAT I would be opposed to. As it is now, LiveJournal is just controlling the content of the servers they own. If you don’t like that, you’ll just have to go somewhere else and pay for your own chunk of the internet.

    Don’t get me wrong: it sucks that innocent people who don’t mean any harm and haven’t done anything illegal are getting their blogs messed with. But although it sucks, it’s perfectly within the purview of LiveJournal. If Wordpress decided to delete this blog, or my blog, or anyone’s blog, I would be disappointed and pissed, but those are the breaks… as long as I’m piggybacking on their servers (notice the .wordpress suffix at the end of my URL) I have to play by their rules.

  6. @D. Peace:

    The issue is not legal, you are right Livejournal deleted something off of their servers. That is absolutely fine… except you are betraying your users and the community which has been built around your site.

    This group contacting Livejournal made them panic, and when they panicked they betrayed a trust that the users had placed into them. It’s really a mutual agreement… “I’ll host my blog here, so let me do my thing.”

    If any of my blogs were deleted because of content I’ve posted, I’d go absolutely insane. We are on the frontier of a new publishing media and Livejournal treated this treat as an old media would’ by firing the journalists and appearing as if they have complied with the compliant to maintain good public standing. It is a cowardly way of handling the situation.

  7. You’re right. I guess at the end of the day all you can do is learn from the experience and NOT use LiveJournal if you plan on saving your stuff. They’ll lose users over this, I’m sure.

    Just to make it clear, I’m for free speech rights and vehemently opposed to censorship, but I don’t view this as a free speech issue as much as I do a “user/host relationship” issue. The people whose LJ blogs were deleted aren’t going to jail or anything like that, and, as far as I know, no federal or local government agency is involved. Their first amendment rights are still intact… they just have to find a new place to post their fiction or abuse-survivor support groups. I would be frothing at the mouth if they were completely silenced, but that doesn’t seem to be the case.

    BTW - L is awesome. I’m not a diehard manga fan, but I’m obsessed with DEATH NOTE because I’m a mystery/suspense buff. The plot of that series is just machiavellian… I recommend it to anyone who’s looking for a great cloak-and-dagger story.

    I’ve only read the first four volumes. Is the rest of the series that good?

  8. @D. Peace:

    I’m not saying on a government level, not at all. What I am saying is one a moral level as we look at the free and open nature of the blog; it needs to be protected as a completely free media. Be it a Harry Potter slash fic community or a racial hate group; blogs should be an open media.

    I have not read the Manga, I plan to but I’m watching the anime right now. Yes, it is an addicting and quality story.

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  10. Thanks !

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